tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post2796182301682935503..comments2024-01-02T16:42:15.732-05:00Comments on Redlines and Deadlines: I Am WomanECPI Editorshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00569261288668237013noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-33773615293113011102012-01-12T15:46:33.316-05:002012-01-12T15:46:33.316-05:00I am a woman who is happily married to a man. I kn...I am a woman who is happily married to a man. I know M/M is primarily written for straight women, but I don't care for it. It just doesn't do anything for me. However, I do regularly purchase and read F/F and F/m/F stories. I particularly like Paisley's F/F stories. She writes for EC. <br /><br />It's all about a heroine being central to the fantasy for me. I don't want to read a story that doesn't have a woman in it, nor do I want to read a story that doesn't have a woman central to receiving pleasure. That dynamic has a big impact on whether or not I buy a book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-62423898356768746512009-09-03T23:53:56.861-04:002009-09-03T23:53:56.861-04:00I have been looking for some good f/f and f/f/m. A...I have been looking for some good f/f and f/f/m. As a bisexual woman, m/m was the first tag I'd look for in an erotic story (even when I identified as straight), and I gradually moved on to m/m/f. When I first started exploring my sexuality and being open to the fact that, yes, I was bi, it still took a bit to convince myself to read f/f stories. Why? I saw that as THE POINT of no return. It took a lot of online archive-perusing before I got over my fears. Long story short, I would definitely buy books that featured f/f and f/f/m content. One of my biggest fears in my day to day life is that I will end up squicking one of my attractive, straight female friends, so if it works out for the heroine, it might give me and other bi women out there a chance to see where the starting point can be. Why are we letting the males have all the fun? It'd be great to see a good story that contrasts and compares the similarities and differences of the two women, because that is what females are so threatened about with each other. Comparisons happen all the time in the real world. It happens when two women walk together, definitely, so why not explore every aspect of this so we can better understand this? If we have a believable male point of view, all it can do is teach everyone about what we have to fear in this case (nothing).<br />Now, as an (aspiring) erotic writer, I find myself a bit discouraged because I want to write f/f and m/f/f scenes in addition to what I'm already dabbling in. I want to explore female relationships that turn into more. I want to know how to tell if your friend is uncomfortable or comfortable with such. And I don't want to hear it from magazines or celebrity gossip articles. I want to read a convincing story about it. And with such content as unpopular as this post says it is, it seems that those stories will be just sitting in my archives. But you know what? That's fine. I've got the bug now, and my brain won't rest until I've gotten it out of my system, if indeed, I ever truly get it out.<br /><br />*looks back over her comment* Um.. sorry, I had a lot to say.Shaeyera Drachehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13373122206260859562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-51939262525534744252009-08-16T20:06:59.794-04:002009-08-16T20:06:59.794-04:00Wow, it makes me sad to see how many people say th...Wow, it makes me sad to see how many people say they'd never write or buy f/f. I consider myself straight, and I've both written and bought f/f and f/m/f.<br /><br />A good story is a good story - period. When the characters are engaging and the plot exciting, it doesn't matter to me what gender the main characters are, or who they love as long as their partners are lovable.RK Sterlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01034917381901499281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-4408289164660371332009-08-14T17:49:05.603-04:002009-08-14T17:49:05.603-04:00I'm thrilled your're giving F/F another ch...I'm thrilled your're giving F/F another chance. With wonderful covers and careful marketing, it'll go. <br /><br />I know I'd enjoy some well written lesbian stories and know other women who would as well. We'd also like some well written f/f interaction stories where the author doesn't come off skittish.<br /><br />I hope to see more f/f/m, f/m/f stories out there, too. <br /><br />We need to erase this stigma that women don't think of sex as often as men.Bekki Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01437144729824303058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-89470442337206454682009-08-08T18:41:45.003-04:002009-08-08T18:41:45.003-04:00I also would love to see f/f at Ellora's Cave....I also would love to see f/f at Ellora's Cave. I write f/f, m/f, and m/m. I agree with the comment that was made about not just trying it out. The publisher has to be committed to a genre to make it work and sustain sales.Jen Bluekissedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04545649160470032127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-27166252797154754492009-08-07T19:20:43.728-04:002009-08-07T19:20:43.728-04:00I would love to see f/f or f/m/f at Ellora's C...I would love to see f/f or f/m/f at Ellora's Cave. I love reading stories where one woman finds herself entranced and devoured by a man and another woman. I've read stories where the primary relationship was the f/m, potentially a married couple and the other female character was the girlfriend of both. <br /><br />There is an up-and-coming true life story coming out called Open: Love, Sex and Life in an Open Marriage by Jenny Block. It's a fascinating account of a couple who opened their lives to a new chapter. The girlfriend, Jemma, spends time with them, makes love to both of them, goes on dates with each of them, but the central relationship is the married couple. I would love to see fantasy stories about open relationships with strong emotional connections. I would absolutely buy them. I would also love to see stories where the three central characters live together in f/m/f relationships. Absolutely enticing. <br /><br />Thanks EC for opening the doors to this potential!Meta Michaelsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-51149775681350301932009-08-02T22:02:50.247-04:002009-08-02T22:02:50.247-04:00Wow, I'm totally opposite. I'm completely ...Wow, I'm totally opposite. I'm completely straight, very boring...never even had a threesome, though I can write about them. I've never been able to write m/m, to me it just rang false. I don't see how I could make two men not seem wimpy.<br /><br />But I can write f/f or m/f/f. I don't know why, I just find it flows to write about women and sex with each other rather than male sex. To be honest, I throw the man in for variety. LOLRena Markshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13040198738189438679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-9077188266265474052009-07-29T23:16:15.795-04:002009-07-29T23:16:15.795-04:00I've sold several lesbian stories to print pub...I've sold several lesbian stories to print publishers and every time someone suggests that lesbian erotic romance doesn't sell well in digital form it surprises me. Some of these comments are very interesting. <br /><br />I believe that a publisher has to be totally behind lesbian and bisexual writing to promote and ultimately sell it. 'Trying it on' has been attempted by many in the past and it just doesn't seem to work. A few months ago a chose a digital publisher for one of my f/f stories because they already have the reader base for that genre.<br /><br />Trading hats here- I would definitely buy f/f and maybe some f/f/m stories as a reader. I have a vast library of print erotic romance but the variety of f/f ebooks simply isn't there. There are so many plot twists for the other genres. As a reader I want variety- give me female pirates, ghosts, sweet librarians, grandmothers, etc. <br /><br />I say let's expand this genre- the print sales for f/f are astronomical. There's no reason digital publishing can't ride the same bandwagon.P. Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10916816466783025242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-52872086718684768912009-07-29T22:38:15.431-04:002009-07-29T22:38:15.431-04:00Beth Wylde:
I'm both an avide reader and an au...Beth Wylde:<br />I'm both an avide reader and an author. I write what I like to read which covers quite a lot of territory. The first story I ever had published was supossed to be a m/f story but it transformed into f.f instead. I've been hooked on the pairing ever since. There is just something so sensual and sexy and intimate when two women connect with one another that isn't there when a man is involved. I'm not a big fan of m/f/m but I definitely think f/f/m could be great if well written and I'd love to see f/f at EC. I actually sent in a query to EC several years ago not realizing that they didn't take f/f. I'd love to see that change. (I will honestly say that from what I have seen f/f does seem to sell better in print format than in ebook)I'd love to see that change too.<br />Beth<br />www.bethwylde.comBeth Wyldehttp://www.bethwylde.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-66227762958704374402009-07-29T01:17:24.734-04:002009-07-29T01:17:24.734-04:00I get most of my books free by offering to review ...I get most of my books free by offering to review them, so I'm probably not a good representative of the "buying habits" of any reader demographic. I write mostly f/f erotica and some non-erotic romance because this seems to come more naturally to me than other combinations, though I'm willing to try everything else I know of (on paper). Menage intrigues me because of the difficulty of making it work long-term - only flexible & resourceful people need apply. <br /><br />Actual lesbian lives seem incredibly diverse to me, and I like to see that reflected in what I read. There is a diversity of published f/f stories with varying proportions of sex vs. emotion. The presses mentioned by Catherine Lundoff seem to be doing well even in an economic slump, so someone is buying their books.Jean Robertahttp://www.jeanroberta.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-25306397711125238032009-07-29T01:10:35.505-04:002009-07-29T01:10:35.505-04:00I'm a lesbian, and I write. Mostly I write m/m...I'm a lesbian, and I write. Mostly I write m/m, but I have also written some f/f. I tend, in my f/f to stay out of the bedroom, because I don't feel at all comfortable writing lesbian sex. I get the feeling that readers might think that the things I write, are also things I'd do in the bedroom and I really don't need to promote that. Of the two stories I have out at the moment, one has a sex scene in it, and the other doesn't go there at all and I was much more comfortable in writing the latter. <br /><br />I don't buy, or read much f/f fiction myself because I have seldom found f/f fiction which I could relate to. As someone else pointed out, much of the f/f out there today seems to assume all lesbians are butch, tough, oversexed and aggressive and want to have sex with anything female that comes within pouncing range.<br /><br />I am more interested in reading about lesbian relationships as a whole than I am in reading lesbian erotica.<br /><br />This view may make me unpopular with some people, but I've been unpopular before. ;)Meg Leighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15684538621573899774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-88799611564731654072009-07-28T22:37:04.719-04:002009-07-28T22:37:04.719-04:00I do write f/f scenes and mostly bisexual heroines...I do write f/f scenes and mostly bisexual heroines because that’s what I love to read. Sexual orientation is on a continuum; enjoying reading or fantasizing about sex between women is a point on that continuum, part of the “sexually fluid” identity that’s coming into the lexicon. Romance can happen between any pair (or more) of partners, however gendered, and all deserve happy endings, however they define them.Adrianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01628092657976031124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-61528202631116176322009-07-28T22:17:13.508-04:002009-07-28T22:17:13.508-04:00There's a fairly thriving f/f romance and erot...There's a fairly thriving f/f romance and erotica market for the small and medium-sized presses like Bella Books, Cleis Press and Bold Strokes Books. These presses have been quite successful and their books sell quite well. <br />I primarily write f/f because I find it both more interesting and under represented than m/f and m/m, though I do dabble in other combinations as well. I'm rather puzzled to see authors like Melissa Scott, who writes primarily nonerotic, nonromantic sf with lesbian and bi women protagonists, and Delia Sherman and Ellen Kushner, who have written a number of novels and stories with lesbian characters classified above as 'm/m' authors. "Trouble and Her Friends" and "The Porcelain Dove" are not by any stretch of the imagination m/m works.<br />From a reading a standpoint, I'll read m/m occasionally but I don't find it as compelling as most works with strong female protagonists. So yes, I would vote with my dollars for well written lesbian romance or erotica.<br />As for a heterosexual/bi women's audience for it, it's there to be tapped into and expanded. I frequently hear from readers and reviewers of my own work who do not identify as lesbian. I'm certainly not alone in this.There are a number of writers and reviewers as well who identify as bi or heterosexual but prefer to write f/f.Catherine Lundoffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-19412619725050451702009-07-28T09:23:41.898-04:002009-07-28T09:23:41.898-04:00I can imagine situations where a heroine might &qu...I can imagine situations where a heroine might "share" her male lover with a friend who needed to recover from a very flawed relationship or something, but I doubt I'd ever write a scene where they both pleasured the male at the same time. I can't envision ever reading or writing a f/f story, because I can't imagine sex between two women being romantic OR erotic. I guess I just love men, in my bed or my heroine's, LOL.<br /><br />But then I write heterosexual romance, and I don't foresee that changing. My own fantasy come true is having one Alpha male who'll do whatever it takes to fulfill me sexually and in every other way.Ann Jacobshttp://www.annjacobs.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-80557475406230660072009-07-28T02:44:54.293-04:002009-07-28T02:44:54.293-04:00Any sexual commitment between consenting adults ca...Any sexual commitment between consenting adults can be handled well by authors who understand the motivation and the background. I enjoy some m/m when the men seem real and not cock-sucking sex machines that have no feelings or thoughts beyond the heat of the moment. The same would apply to f/f romance. Women do not have to be "butch" or masculine to enjoy each other. Just as men do not have to be effeminate to enjoy sex with a male. I think it depends on the author and how they craft the romance, and how "real" the people involved are. Leave the stereotypes out and make the characters deliciously human and sensually lovable.Fran Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06247024581813249889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-8446541982741508002009-07-27T23:56:21.235-04:002009-07-27T23:56:21.235-04:00Well although my view my not be popular I am compe...Well although my view my not be popular I am compelled to share it. I have not been interested in any m/m stories. I would love to read and f/f story that has substance and shows the true embodiment of what that relationship could bring. I would even enjoy m/f/f but as I said earlier the storyline is what would have to solid and each of the characters have to hold their own. My two cents =-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-78228547469619468762009-07-27T23:52:56.256-04:002009-07-27T23:52:56.256-04:00While I'll admit to being curious, its never g...While I'll admit to being curious, its never going to be something I'll ever act upon. I can't ever see myself making love to another woman and must admit to feeling a little uncomfortable. However I would imagine that although it might be a small market there would indeed be a market for such romances. Once the inital step had been taken.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-55798437679552117422009-07-27T22:49:24.033-04:002009-07-27T22:49:24.033-04:00I have never written f/f romance because it just d...I have never written f/f romance because it just doesn't turn me on. I write about the interplay between opposites, and with two women in bed, even if one is dom and one is sub, there is no fire as far as I am concerned. I can write about a man licking pussy, but personally, the very thought of a female licking pussy doesn't appeal. I'm sure I will be one of the great minority, but to me, that just sounds...icky. <br /><br />I have lesbian friends, and had to laugh when one told me I just hadn't found the right woman yet. Hell, I can't even eat raw oysters without it hitting my gag reflex. I sure as hell couldn't get past the issue of female body fluids in my mouth. And in order to write about something, I have to feel as if I am in the middle of the action.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-10632850357201188852009-07-27T22:47:51.398-04:002009-07-27T22:47:51.398-04:00I like f/f that is emotionally connected, but also...I like f/f that is emotionally connected, but also fully immersed physically. I've written an f/f/m, and I really enjoyed the process of it. My research was real life experience as a bisexual woman who has had relationships on both sides of the gender line, and some of the emotions I've felt. <br /><br />It's challenging in that there can be a lot of drama, jealousy and fraught emotions when it comes to women being together, but I think that when personalities mesh, either as friends or lovers, some women just click that way and it creates a lasting bond.<br /><br />Well, I think that the readership depends a lot on what the reader interests are. There's a lot of mixing and matching with picking books. Some want to experience things outside of their real lives, and some want to read something similar. It'll depend on the mood at the time, and probably some curiosity. <br /><br />I think I'd like to read more contemporary f/f, or BDSM f/f. Mostly I've seen fantasy, or sci-fi, and not too much of it either. There's so much m/m/f or m/f/m or something like that...I would love to see some f/f that's of the same quality as the m/m I've read. And for there to be menages and more that are f/f/f or f/f/m. <br /><br />Blessings, <br />Dena CelesteAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17666415126734044088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-22672748020850347752009-07-27T22:42:06.987-04:002009-07-27T22:42:06.987-04:00As a lesbian, I feel enough books of the past were...As a lesbian, I feel enough books of the past were so poorly written, so poorly portrayed us a people and over all made it seem that our lives were somehow different from our straight counterparts, we had no desire to purchase. It was hard to pick up a f/f book and not feel we were suppose to besome sort of sex machine that had sex with anything as long as it was a woman.<br /><br />As a writer in the community, I have heard time and again, give us a well written book that portrays us as people and our sex as something believable. <br /><br />As a writer of f/f, I strive to produce a well written book that portrays us as real people. One that shows sex our way and not as so many believe it to be because "it cannot be any other way".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-44773747268430689562009-07-27T22:15:03.330-04:002009-07-27T22:15:03.330-04:00While the majority of what I write is m/m romance,...While the majority of what I write is m/m romance, I have included some f/f in a short story I sold to Black Lace. And I had a blast with it! I would love to write some f/f, after I finish the dozen projects I have lined up already! <br /><br />I'd definitely be interested in reading some good f/f. Zane's Purple Panties is one of my fav anthos. Cleis has a lesbian antho coming out next month that I want called Lesbian Cowboys. The cover is hot enough to make me turn in my het card! *cackle*<br /><br />I'd love it if EC had some good f/f stories or even f/f/m.Shayla Kerstenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03712434264545304766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-26441324822712900492009-07-26T21:44:34.178-04:002009-07-26T21:44:34.178-04:00Hey, Anonymous,
EC is open to fem dom/male sub st...Hey, Anonymous,<br /><br />EC is open to fem dom/male sub stories. We just don't see good ones! Unfortunately, the subs are either poorly written regardless of genre, or the hero is indeed a wimp. Natural Law by Joey W. Hill is such a success because the hero is a true alpha - everywhere but the bedroom. Women love that. But a fully sub hero doesn't seem to interest our readers. <br /><br />So if an author wants to submit a fem dom story with a gorgeous, hunky hero and a heroine who lets him be alpha everyone but during sex - we'd love to see it.<br /><br />RaeleneECPI Editorshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00569261288668237013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-22993024166593979122009-07-25T13:17:02.496-04:002009-07-25T13:17:02.496-04:00I'd be more interested in f/f than f/f/m or f/...I'd be more interested in f/f than f/f/m or f/m/f. In the menage area, two women sharing a man doesn't appeal because it feels like there would be competition. There would be with m/f/m too, but the fantasy works better for me. My main reason though is that I don't like to share my man and don't really enjoy reading stories where the main heroine does. That's one reason I don't really like m/m/f either. Unless it's done well, in either scenario a woman can end up being the third wheel.<br /><br />I'm glad EC is opening up to these genres again, but I'd really love to see them take a chance with femdomme/male sub stories. Male subs <b>don't</b> have to be wimpy. Joey Hill wrote a fab sub hero in <i>Natural Law</i> and I don't think I can be the only woman out there who would enjoy these stories. Giving the power up to a male dom is a great story line, but having a kick-ass female who can control a man without emasculating him is hot too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-59345435144538439482009-07-25T08:46:30.717-04:002009-07-25T08:46:30.717-04:00I'm het. I like m/m. Not f/f. Authors Ellen Ku...I'm het. I like m/m. Not f/f. Authors Ellen Kushner and Delia Sherman (married to each other) write m/m. Melissa Scott (bi or lesbian) writes m/m. Elizabeth Lynn (lesbian) writes m/m. What we all have in common is not just that we like m/m but we don't confuse our realities with our fantasies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8983687699975451453.post-20813191483333796152009-07-25T07:03:26.491-04:002009-07-25T07:03:26.491-04:00I wouldn't buy FF, nor FMF. I have no interest...I wouldn't buy FF, nor FMF. I have no interest in writing it either. I like alpha females but I prefer them to be funny and quirky not -in your face pushy. Yes to buying MFM and MM though. <br />I don't even like non-erotic books that feature FF relationships no matter how slight. I'm not homophobic,I'm just not comfortable with it and so choose not to read it. I wish I knew why!<br />But I'm not one who has lots of female BBFs. I'm shy and keep myself to myself. I don't have hangups about my body or sexuality but I don't strip off at the gym and bare all. I don't see anything inherently interesting in a female body like I do in man's. Maybe I need to be reborn as a gay guy?Barbara Elsborghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15825994197656747262noreply@blogger.com